that helps law enforcement. if he can be encountered and talked to, he might be able to negotiate through a peaceful surrender. the older brother might have been -- we already know he had a suicide vest on and he charged the police. so look, this is not a common occurrence in america. a guy with a suicide bomb on charged the police. it's extremely unusual. so -- i mean, that's very different. so we know that he's alone now. we also know that when he came to the united states he was 8 years old. his family was seeking asylum. he didn't come here as some sort of radical -- he was 8 years old. >> he was on the wrestling team. >> wrestling team. right. you just interviewed his classmates. what a great interview. this guy was later radicalized and his brother probably played a key role in doing it and some on the internet and maybe some other influences, both here and abroad. and i think that the terrorism analysts, the experts on that, like roger cressey, those kind of guys will be digging in that so deep, they will